Red Rose Stories Case Continues

Yep, that’s right. The U.S. Government still believes, decades after the Ulysses case was decided, that when someone publishes literature that some U.S. Attorney doesn’t like, that the author should be sent to prison.

PITTSBURGH – A U.S. District Judge has denied motions to dismiss the federal obscenity charges against author and webmistress, Karen Fletcher. Fletcher was indicted last year on six counts of transmission of obscene matter, based on short stories she posted online.

Fletcher’s ‘Red Rose’ website, which had 29 subscribers, charged $10 per month for customers to read fantasies consisting of “explicit stories about adults having sex with children,” according to the FBI’s search warrant which was executed in August of 2005. At that time, the government seized Fletcher’s computer containing the online stories, to which 40 writers allegedly contributed.

Fletcher’s is the first federal obscenity case in decades involving only writings. Mooney’s key argument was that mere words alone cannot be obscene. “Textual material is different than other kinds of visual depictions,” he said. “Text is as close to the process of thought as we can get. The First Amendment doesn’t mean much if one is only allowed to write down their own thoughts for their own perusal.” (source and full story)

Separate the content (which I must admit is shocking) from your patriotism. If you believe in the Constitution, and you believe in what this country means, you can NOT believe that any American should ever face prison for writing fiction – no matter what the subject matter of that fiction might be.

7 Responses to Red Rose Stories Case Continues

  1. Steve Jordahl says:

    What’s the differnece between written pornography and the visual kind once the book/magazine has been put down? Both are fiction (unless you believe those girls are really 16 and “enjoy” what they are doing as much as they seem to). The intent for which it was written and the image it leaves in the mind are the same. Both can contribute to sociopathic activity in certain people. There is no artistic merit in the sodomy, rape and murder of an infant (which is what Fletcher wrote about.)

    Some matierial is damaging to society as a whole, and should not be tollerated. The First Amendment was never meant to protect pornography, like it was never meant to protect libel, slander, speech that incites a riot, treason.

    Being patriotic means you should want a better America, not a more dangerous one.

    • Kyazu says:

      I understand and agree. It is a written fact that, if a certain amount of people fantasize about urination, America well explode.
      Stories involving children being abused and killed, such as The Bible, have no place in America.

  2. What makes you believe that “The First Amendment was never meant to protect pornography”? The First Amendment *does* protect pornography, whether you like it or not.

    You and I do share some common ground. I do not enjoy Ms. Fletcher’s writing. I am uncomfortable with the subject matter, and find no joy in reading it.

    I agree with you on a specific point as well: “Some material is damaging to society as a whole.

    For example, the Bible is one of the most damaging works ever written.

    Genesis 19:8 condones a father offering his virgin daughters to be gang raped by an angry mob. The story continues in Genesis 19:30-38 wherein the Bible describes a drunken ménage-a-trois between Lot and his daughters — certainly material that would make even Ms. Fletcher blush. Samuel 2 13:1-20 – the rape of a girl by her brother… need I go on? I presume you know your scripture better than I do…

    This dangerous book is used to brainwash millions of innocent people into believing a mythology that has, as a central theme, an omniscient and omnipotent being that has serious psychological problems. The Biblical version of “God” is a self-absorbed psychopath who commits acts of genocide as collective punishment upon those who refuse to accept his authority.

    This description of “god” is reminiscent of Stalin, not anyone worthy of respect nor reverence.

    The inner fear created by reading such harmful material, coupled with its ability to leave innocent people open to suggestion by snake oil salesmen (the clergy) is a provably proximate cause of child molestation on a scale so grand that you would think that your Bible compels it. (And this is not limited to the sins of the catholic church). Lets face it, if you will believe in creationism, it isn’t much of a stretch to believe that a pastor is right when he says “this is our little secret.”

    If you want to find a written work that has actually led to child molestation, you need look no further than the Bible. I challenge you to find anyone who has been harmed by Ms. Fletcher’s writing.

    Nevertheless, since I wish to read “The Catcher in the Rye” without interference, then I must tolerate your right to read the bible, and we both must tolerate anyone who wishes to read Ms. Fletcher’s works.

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  4. Bob says:

    Wow. Superb argument by Marc. I hope someday to read “The Catcher in the Rye” as well. And I’ve read much of the Bible.

    I have no desire to ever read Ms. Fletcher’s work, but I can understand the importance of its ban…or lack of a ban.

    I see this as more of a form of mind control arguement…but your facts as presented are compelling.

    As a society, sadly, we must tolerate the occasional Ms. Fletcher.

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