Proposed New Porn Rule: No porn with your kids

A few weeks ago, I declared that I have two rules for porn:

Rule #1: The subjects must be adults
Rule #2: The subjects must be consenting adults

I am not sure if I should add this as a third rule:

Proposed Rule #3: The subjects should not be in a pornographic film with their children, of age or not.

A mother-daughter duo is, apparently, launching a porn career together. (Oh… one guess where these beauts are from).

The mother and daughter claim that this is not technically incest because they refrain from making physical contact with each other during sex, while participation of a third party.

Although in the video it may seem as though they are touching or kissing, they claim that it is not happening.

What do you think? They’re both over 18. So this does not violate Rule #1 or Rule #2. Do we need a third rule? Maybe not… maybe we should just have a “now that is totally fucked up” category.

Update: A commenter asked if I thought “sister porn” was ok. I said that was all right, since I presume that sisters are relative equals, thus there is no power dynamic that fucks things all up.

I guess what makes me uncomfortable about parent-child porn is that if it is the parent driving the move, then I can’t see how there could be an absence of coercion. If it is the child driving the bus to crazy-land, then I just can’t imagine that there was good parenting involved.

I think that my discomfort really isn’t from a “this porn is too fucked up” perspective… it is a parenting issue. Because honestly, if a two women pretended to be mother-daughter, mother-son, father-son, father-daughter, in a porn movie, I wouldn’t care. I might not buy it, but I wouldn’t care if you did.

I might be getting old.

24 Responses to Proposed New Porn Rule: No porn with your kids

  1. HollyB says:

    I read about this less than dynamic duo a few weeks ago on a internet gossip site. I felt the immediate need to rip my own eyes out for reading it and then to take a long extended Silkwood scrub.

  2. CPlatt says:

    It seems to me the problem is with time. If you had an affair with a woman, and *some years later* had an affair with her (over 18) daughter, that should be okay, right? So the real question is how much time should separate the two events. Ten years? One year? One month? One hour? Where does your comfort zone begin and end?

    • Yes, that’s ok.

      I even think it is ok to bang a woman, and then walk down the hall and bang her (over 18) daughter – provided both are consenting. And switch up the genders or the heteronormative terms, if you like.

      My personal comfort zone ends when I screw a woman in the presence of one of her parents, or vice versa.

      But, maybe I’m just expressing a personal hang-up that shouldn’t be imposed on anyone else.

      • Mark Kernes says:

        “But, maybe I’m just expressing a personal hang-up that shouldn’t be imposed on anyone else.”

        Yeah, that about sums it up. And BTW, the Sextons are hardly the first mother/daughter duo in porn. There was Desi and Ellie Foxx a few years ago, and I seem to recall there was at least one similar pair before that. Desi now runs an anti-porn website. And let’s not forget that there was even a brother-sister combo in porn: Amber Lynn and the late Buck Adams. The pair was in a couple of dozen movies together, but only in the same sex scene once, which was an orgy, so they didn’t necessarily even touch.

      • Agitatertot says:

        I think that you are on to something, but not in the way that other commenters have suggested.

        I’m sure you’ve already established this, but why is 18 the magical number separating adults from children? Not just for society, but for you in particular? I think it’s just an arbitrary community standard.

        I like to have the most basic of assumptions settled before I make rules for myself. It helps me to question the premise behind why something is a rule in the first place, which also helps me to keep from judging others (without a good reason).

        Do you think that father-son porn is okay? Father-daughter? I find the idea revolting. I suspect that you would come to the same conclusion. The next question is “why?”

        • CPlatt says:

          The age of consent is of course a very local concept, with some states saying 18, some saying 16, Canada and Japan saying 14, and Mexico saying 12, although if an American citizen goes to some other country specifically to have sex with someone under 16, he can be put in jail for up to 10 years when he gets home, even if the act was legal in the nation where it occurred. Thus the US owns your genitals no matter where you use them to penetrate someone who would be considered underage if she lived here. See http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm.

          In our tribal past, an anthropologist I know told me there is evidence that as soon as a female menstruated, a male could have sex with her.

          As for the incest taboo, it is so universal, we must assume that tribes which didn’t have that taboo were selected out by the relentless process of evolution, and therefore it was a survival trait until very recently, when contraception allowed sex to become separable from procreation. If it seems “revolting,” that’s because people who didn’t find it revolting (and their children, and their children’s children) were less evolutionarily successful. Personally I do not find it revolting, but I am concerned about the destructive effects on the child (I was sexually abused as a child myself).

        • markkernes says:

          Good question! I’ve long felt that kids age 11 or 12 and up ought to be blood-tested every few months to see if their sexual hormones have begun to appear, signaling the onset of puberty. That means, no matter what the societal norms, they’re ready for sex. Now, there are many good reasons why one should not (and hopefully would not want to) have sex with a person that young, but the kids themselves are quickly going to find that their interest in the opposite sex (or same sex if they’re gay) is growing, possibly exponentially, and that fact of life is going to have to be dealt with in some way. For most parents, the “solution” seems to be not to talk about it and pray, to the point where far too many don’t even want their kids taught about sex and its many wonders and pitfalls in a sex-ed class, which is downright insane. But the point is, at some point soon after they reach puberty, they’re going to want to have sex, and considering all the various media out there that the kid will be exposed to, it’s likely that he or she will figure out what activities will satisfy those urges s/he is feeling—so as a society, we need to deal with that, and deal with it in a rational, non-judgmental way.

  3. Deciding which porn is “too fucked up” for your tastes is a slippery slope, Marc. Consenting adults = let it go.

    • You’re probably right. They’re both consenting adults. Rule #1 and Rule #2 presume coercion. Absent coercion, there probably isn’t any justification for adding this to my “porn rules.”

      • Good! I was worried you were going to carve out a first amendment exception. SCOTUS does enough of that. ;)

        • BTW, someone awesome should have defended that woman in Texas who was sent to prison for having sex with one of her 18 year old students, which is illegal under Texas law. It seems she’s just a poor school teacher, so her constitutional claim is lost. :(

          • Teacher/student can involve coercion. They have to wait until the student graduates. There are also rules regarding doctors and therapists having relationships with patients. It’s very awkward with ministers/rabbis, since their pool of potential mates is going to overlap pretty heavily with their congregations.

  4. Ben says:

    What’s your take on sisters?

    • I approve of that. I guess what makes me uncomfortable about the parent-child porn is that I can’t see how there could be an absence of coercion, if it is the parent driving the move. If it is the child driving the bus to crazy-land, then I just can’t imagine that there was good parenting involved.

      Your question provokes me to consider that my discomfort really isn’t from a “this porn is too fucked up” perspective… it is a parenting issue. Because honestly, if a two women pretended to be mother-daughter, mother-son, father-son, father-daughter, in a porn movie, it should be completely legal.

    • CPlatt says:

      Suppose a guy marries a woman who has had a daughter by a previous marriage. There is no biological link between the man and the daughter–no shared DNA. But I don’t think it is nice or wise or decent for him to have sex with the daughter (an abuse of parental authority, something like that). Is it legal, assuming the daughter is over 18? I used to know a guy who was having that experience. It made me very uncomfortable, and I distanced myself after I found out. He defended it vigorously, of course.

      • It would be a matter of state law. So, depends on the state.

        Legal or not, I don’t think I’d want to be friends with a guy like that either. I won’t judge a man for cheating on his wife. But, a man who will cheat on his wife with her own daughter is not a guy I would trust with anything of mine.

  5. Rogier says:

    “Maybe I’m just expressing a personal hang-up that shouldn’t be imposed on anyone else.”

    I think you’re on to something.

    • Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think that….

      Now if only people with any actual power had the ability to come to that conclusion 20 minutes after starting the debate.

  6. Beth Hutchens says:

    I agree with Rogier and Tsaoutofourpants. What two consenting adults do should be between them (and whoever wants to watch). We all have things that “gross us out”, but those must end at the credo “Don’t buy it, don’t read it, don’t look at it”. The danger in seeking to force our individual moral code on everybody else is that personal freedoms will inevitably be destroyed. If we end up with mother/daughter porn in the bargain, so be it. Think of what would happen if the religious zealots in Congress were able to legislate their version of morality? I’d rather be able to ignore things that I personally find reprehensible than to, for example, see my best friends rounded up and sent to de-gayification camp.

  7. MKC says:

    I think there is really only one rule: consent. We irrebutably presume no consent with kids because we don’t trust evidence to the contrary. At some point, we have to cut off that presumption. It’s sort of arbitrary to cut it off at the age of majority, but the presumption is just a (very good) guess to begin with.

  8. Duderino says:

    We don’t need new porn rules. We need some sort of quarantine for Florida. Snakes, inept voters, batshit crazy laws, that bath salts zombie, dogs and cats living together MASS HYSTERIA. In all seriousness though, what the fuck?

    Here’s my theory: Florida (like Arizona…think about this now) has a significant retired population. This is a large group of people who vote regularly, and are perhaps less likely to deviate from past voting patterns. Consequentially, instead of having healthy back and forth in elections, the lunatic fringes begin appear more and more mainstream. If a GOP candidate, for example, can count on the votes of all GOP voters – regardless of how nuts his stances are – there is really no incentive to change or to be less nuts. As years go by, nuts becomes the norm, and new candidates must go even more nuts to get elected.

    It’s like when you do those Punnett Squares in high school bio. AA, Aa, Aa, and then BAM runny-eyed cats. Florida, more than any other state (though, again, Arizona is getting there) is basically one giant recessive trait.

  9. Thurston Bowel the Turd™ says:

    Marc, I’ve got a question for you . . .

    I’m wondering where this great idea I’ve been noodling on fits into your porno rules framework . . .

    My brother?? – he’s handsome, hung, and, of course, over the age of majority . . .

    Me?? – I’m handsome, hung, and of legal age too . . .

    Now understand, we are both in need of a quick buck and, literally, I’m willing to switch teams mid-game and take one for the team to cash in on my plan . . .

    The plan being to make the most epic of all gay porns, entitled, you guessed it – “Brotherly Love XXX™”!!

    Butt after reading your erudite musings in this post about the general subject matter, I’m now confused, sexually and otherwise, as to if the artistic expression of my awesome porn concept crosses your line, or any line, for that matter – I’m just not sure anymore. Please advise . . .

  10. blueollie says:

    Hey don’t knock the Mom/daughter adult duo. The Springer show needs more new material, you know. :-)

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