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	<title>Comments on: Sticking up for the big guy:  United v. Untied.com</title>
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		<title>By: marcorandazza</title>
		<link>http://randazza.wordpress.com/2012/11/29/sticking-up-for-the-big-guy/#comment-61699</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marcorandazza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 04:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Irrelevant to my analysis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irrelevant to my analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: bvierra (@bvierra)</title>
		<link>http://randazza.wordpress.com/2012/11/29/sticking-up-for-the-big-guy/#comment-61682</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bvierra (@bvierra)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know this is late, but I was on vacation and still wanted to comment :)

The suspended part is caused by the site using more bandwidth than they paid the webhost for (I noticed it before it&#039;s back up now). Most likely because of a surge of traffic and it being the end of the month, right before the bw resets.

The site now has a disclaimer when you go to it stating that it is not affiliated that you have to agree to before continuing. You can see it at: http://minus.com/lzipO8zWCv59f

Just some updates for you]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is late, but I was on vacation and still wanted to comment :)</p>
<p>The suspended part is caused by the site using more bandwidth than they paid the webhost for (I noticed it before it&#8217;s back up now). Most likely because of a surge of traffic and it being the end of the month, right before the bw resets.</p>
<p>The site now has a disclaimer when you go to it stating that it is not affiliated that you have to agree to before continuing. You can see it at: <a href="http://minus.com/lzipO8zWCv59f" rel="nofollow">http://minus.com/lzipO8zWCv59f</a></p>
<p>Just some updates for you</p>
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		<title>By: andrews</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 13:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[airplane company may protect trade dress]

In general, sure, no question.  However, there are some problems with this argument.  First and foremost, it does not appear that you can buy an airplane ticket from the site.  That means he is effectively not in competition with them.  The trade dress argument is much weaker than, e.g., you dress up your burger bar to have red background and yellow arches.

The other problem is that you often do lift a fair amount of what you are criticising in order to make it clear who your target is.  There, I suppose we look at Campbell v. Acuff-Rose, 510 US 569, and the case is somewhat weakened.  Yeah, that&#039;s copyright, but they&#039;re going to have the devil&#039;s own time with a Lanham act claim due the the first problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[airplane company may protect trade dress]</p>
<p>In general, sure, no question.  However, there are some problems with this argument.  First and foremost, it does not appear that you can buy an airplane ticket from the site.  That means he is effectively not in competition with them.  The trade dress argument is much weaker than, e.g., you dress up your burger bar to have red background and yellow arches.</p>
<p>The other problem is that you often do lift a fair amount of what you are criticising in order to make it clear who your target is.  There, I suppose we look at Campbell v. Acuff-Rose, 510 US 569, and the case is somewhat weakened.  Yeah, that&#8217;s copyright, but they&#8217;re going to have the devil&#8217;s own time with a Lanham act claim due the the first problem.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8211; United Airlines Sues Passenger Complaint Site Untied</title>
		<link>http://randazza.wordpress.com/2012/11/29/sticking-up-for-the-big-guy/#comment-59918</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#8211; United Airlines Sues Passenger Complaint Site Untied]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 05:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] There are obvious similarities. The guy behind Untied, Jeremy Cooperstock, insists that this makes sense since his site is a form of parody. While the likelihood of confusion argument is certainly stronger here (currently when you visit the website, you have to agree to a popup that warns you the site is not United&#8217;s), I still wonder how reasonable the lawsuit is. Cooperstock insists that it&#8217;s a SLAPP suit, though others think United may have a legit claim. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There are obvious similarities. The guy behind Untied, Jeremy Cooperstock, insists that this makes sense since his site is a form of parody. While the likelihood of confusion argument is certainly stronger here (currently when you visit the website, you have to agree to a popup that warns you the site is not United&#8217;s), I still wonder how reasonable the lawsuit is. Cooperstock insists that it&#8217;s a SLAPP suit, though others think United may have a legit claim. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: marcorandazza</title>
		<link>http://randazza.wordpress.com/2012/11/29/sticking-up-for-the-big-guy/#comment-59727</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marcorandazza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 00:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have updated the post with side-by-side comparisons of the two sites.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have updated the post with side-by-side comparisons of the two sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Shevlin</title>
		<link>http://randazza.wordpress.com/2012/11/29/sticking-up-for-the-big-guy/#comment-59726</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Graham Shevlin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 00:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It sounds like the ISP may have already caved and disabled the site. United spent a lot of time trying to shut untied.com down in the past, then they seemed to give up and just monitored it instead. For a while, about 30% of the site&#039;s visitor count comprised United Airlines employees. 
The silly thing about this action is that the last time I looked at untied.com a few years back it was not being maintained because Copperstock had taken a job in Japan, and in any case most of the discussion traffic about flying experiences was moving to FlyerTalk.. 
Since United tried to bully Jeremy Copperstock in the past, I am guessing that he is in no mood to allow them to bully him some more. 
United really doesn&#039;t understand the Streisand Effect do they?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like the ISP may have already caved and disabled the site. United spent a lot of time trying to shut untied.com down in the past, then they seemed to give up and just monitored it instead. For a while, about 30% of the site&#8217;s visitor count comprised United Airlines employees.<br />
The silly thing about this action is that the last time I looked at untied.com a few years back it was not being maintained because Copperstock had taken a job in Japan, and in any case most of the discussion traffic about flying experiences was moving to FlyerTalk..<br />
Since United tried to bully Jeremy Copperstock in the past, I am guessing that he is in no mood to allow them to bully him some more.<br />
United really doesn&#8217;t understand the Streisand Effect do they?</p>
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		<title>By: underasteelsky</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[underasteelsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 23:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Working from a screenshot at the ChTrib site: untied.com looks quite substantially different from United&#039;s site. The single bitmap that was re-used has been substantially altered in obvious parody. Nearly all of the text is completely different. There is no cartoonish mascot. There appears to be some similarity of fonts, but it&#039;s impossible to tell from the shrunken screenshot. (If so, they&#039;re extremely common, and they are neither designed, owned nor controlled by United.)

Untied appears to use exactly one rounded graphic design element. United&#039;s site uses far more, and the one similar element doesn&#039;t come close to extending across the page width on Untied as it does on United&#039;s site.

I was going to examine the page code to see if there were less-obvious similarities, but Untied&#039;s hosting provider has either caved in advance or perhaps received a court order—I assume the former.

In the event the site finds a provider with a spine and returns unchanged the similarity of the two appears limited to five to seven DIV elements, depending how you count, in similar places, with similar colours.

I&#039;m far from an expert on trade dress, but if using similarly-coloured boxes in similar places is in want of an injunction, quite a lot of people are in trouble.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Working from a screenshot at the ChTrib site: untied.com looks quite substantially different from United&#8217;s site. The single bitmap that was re-used has been substantially altered in obvious parody. Nearly all of the text is completely different. There is no cartoonish mascot. There appears to be some similarity of fonts, but it&#8217;s impossible to tell from the shrunken screenshot. (If so, they&#8217;re extremely common, and they are neither designed, owned nor controlled by United.)</p>
<p>Untied appears to use exactly one rounded graphic design element. United&#8217;s site uses far more, and the one similar element doesn&#8217;t come close to extending across the page width on Untied as it does on United&#8217;s site.</p>
<p>I was going to examine the page code to see if there were less-obvious similarities, but Untied&#8217;s hosting provider has either caved in advance or perhaps received a court order—I assume the former.</p>
<p>In the event the site finds a provider with a spine and returns unchanged the similarity of the two appears limited to five to seven DIV elements, depending how you count, in similar places, with similar colours.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m far from an expert on trade dress, but if using similarly-coloured boxes in similar places is in want of an injunction, quite a lot of people are in trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wanted to see for myself. As of this comment, the site untied.com is &#039;suspended.&#039; This is what it says: &quot;This site has been suspended
If you manage this site and have a question about why the site is not available, please contact iPage directly.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wanted to see for myself. As of this comment, the site untied.com is &#8216;suspended.&#8217; This is what it says: &#8220;This site has been suspended<br />
If you manage this site and have a question about why the site is not available, please contact iPage directly.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: marcorandazza</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marcorandazza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There may be disclaimers everywhere, but I still think that United has a right to protect its copyrights, trademarks, and trade dress.  

None of that will negatively impact the message that the speaker wants to deliver.  And, frankly, I don&#039;t see how trying to make the site look like United&#039;s site adds anything to his message.  

It seems to me that United&#039;s position here is &quot;say whatever you want, but don&#039;t say it wearing a United Airlines mask.&quot;  I don&#039;t have a problem with that.  

My instincts are to protect the little guy.  But, here, it seems that the little guy is being a bit of a dickwad over issues that really don&#039;t seem to matter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There may be disclaimers everywhere, but I still think that United has a right to protect its copyrights, trademarks, and trade dress.  </p>
<p>None of that will negatively impact the message that the speaker wants to deliver.  And, frankly, I don&#8217;t see how trying to make the site look like United&#8217;s site adds anything to his message.  </p>
<p>It seems to me that United&#8217;s position here is &#8220;say whatever you want, but don&#8217;t say it wearing a United Airlines mask.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t have a problem with that.  </p>
<p>My instincts are to protect the little guy.  But, here, it seems that the little guy is being a bit of a dickwad over issues that really don&#8217;t seem to matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Rogier</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rogier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 19:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I looked at the site and there are &quot;This is not United Airlines&quot; disclaimers all over the fucking place. Even without those, it would take less than two seconds for non-morons to realize what Untied.com really is. So until I see information to the contrary, this looks like the usual brand-bully assholery. http://www.bakelblog.com/nobodys_business/2005/08/brand_bullies_s.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked at the site and there are &#8220;This is not United Airlines&#8221; disclaimers all over the fucking place. Even without those, it would take less than two seconds for non-morons to realize what Untied.com really is. So until I see information to the contrary, this looks like the usual brand-bully assholery. <a href="http://www.bakelblog.com/nobodys_business/2005/08/brand_bullies_s.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bakelblog.com/nobodys_business/2005/08/brand_bullies_s.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 19:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to learn more before judging.  But I&#039;m a little disturbed by this:  &quot;United also notes that Cooperstock offered to work for United as a paid consultant advising the airline on how to improve customer service. United declined.&quot;  If true, that sounds a little Crystal Cox-ish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to learn more before judging.  But I&#8217;m a little disturbed by this:  &#8220;United also notes that Cooperstock offered to work for United as a paid consultant advising the airline on how to improve customer service. United declined.&#8221;  If true, that sounds a little Crystal Cox-ish.</p>
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