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		<title>By: marcorandazza</title>
		<link>http://randazza.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/sex-rod-is-immoral-and-scandalous/#comment-8218</link>
		<dc:creator>marcorandazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, but it would have to be someone willing to push the issue to an appeal after the TTAB once they rejected it on immoral and scandalous grounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, but it would have to be someone willing to push the issue to an appeal after the TTAB once they rejected it on immoral and scandalous grounds.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Kernes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Kernes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... maybe someone in the porn industry should try to trademark the mark; it&#039;d be hard to claim that an adult video producer had no intent to use it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; maybe someone in the porn industry should try to trademark the mark; it&#8217;d be hard to claim that an adult video producer had no intent to use it!</p>
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		<title>By: marcorandazza</title>
		<link>http://randazza.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/sex-rod-is-immoral-and-scandalous/#comment-8217</link>
		<dc:creator>marcorandazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough... your opinion is valid and welcomed, even if it is not shared. 

And, you&#039;re right about &lt;em&gt;Boulevard Entertainment&lt;/em&gt;.  It does hold that.  However, in that case, &quot;JACK OFF&quot; was held scandalous where &lt;i&gt;all dictionary definitions&lt;/i&gt; were considered vulgar.  See also In re Tinseltown, Inc., 212 USPQ 863 (TTAB 1981) (BULLSHIT held scandalous where &lt;strong&gt;all&lt;/strong&gt; dictionary definitions of that term were considered vulgar).

However, I think that it is shabby reasoning to say that just because a dictionary editor (or even *all* dictionary editors) think that a term is &quot;vulgar,&quot; then the term is automatically “shocking to the sense of truth, decency or propriety; disgraceful; offensive; disreputable; … giving offense to the conscience or moral feelings; … [or] calling out for condemnation.”

Furthermore, I think that the brush-off that the TTAB gives to the &quot;trademarks as commercial speech&quot; issue is unsupportable.  

I agree that the TTAB is never going to reverse course without getting the Fed. Cir. to force its hand.  Trust me, I&#039;m waiting for the opportunity to do so.  :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough&#8230; your opinion is valid and welcomed, even if it is not shared. </p>
<p>And, you&#8217;re right about <em>Boulevard Entertainment</em>.  It does hold that.  However, in that case, &#8220;JACK OFF&#8221; was held scandalous where <i>all dictionary definitions</i> were considered vulgar.  See also In re Tinseltown, Inc., 212 USPQ 863 (TTAB 1981) (BULLSHIT held scandalous where <strong>all</strong> dictionary definitions of that term were considered vulgar).</p>
<p>However, I think that it is shabby reasoning to say that just because a dictionary editor (or even *all* dictionary editors) think that a term is &#8220;vulgar,&#8221; then the term is automatically “shocking to the sense of truth, decency or propriety; disgraceful; offensive; disreputable; … giving offense to the conscience or moral feelings; … [or] calling out for condemnation.”</p>
<p>Furthermore, I think that the brush-off that the TTAB gives to the &#8220;trademarks as commercial speech&#8221; issue is unsupportable.  </p>
<p>I agree that the TTAB is never going to reverse course without getting the Fed. Cir. to force its hand.  Trust me, I&#8217;m waiting for the opportunity to do so.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hall</title>
		<link>http://randazza.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/sex-rod-is-immoral-and-scandalous/#comment-8214</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read your post to state that McGinley has been impliedly overruled by subsequent Supreme Court case law &quot;but the TTAB doesn’t seem to have gotten that memo.&quot;  My point was that that memo can only go to the Federal Circuit, not the TTAB.  

As for evidence, in this case the Board had two dictionary definitions from reputable dictionaries (Random House and The New Oxford American Dictionary) indicating that the word &quot;rod&quot; is vulgar, and the applicant even admitted that SEX ROD &quot;is intended to possess a sexual connotation.&quot;  

In Boulevard Entertainment, the Federal Circuit explicitly held that &quot;in a case in which the evidence shows that the mark has only one pertinent meaning, dictionary evidence alone can be sufficient to satisfy the PTO&#039;s burden.&quot;  67 U.S.P.Q.2d at 1478.  Given the two dictionary definitions of record here, and the applicant&#039;s admission, I guess I don&#039;t share your view that the evidence was &quot;shoddy.&quot;  I suppose we&#039;ll just have to agree to disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read your post to state that McGinley has been impliedly overruled by subsequent Supreme Court case law &#8220;but the TTAB doesn’t seem to have gotten that memo.&#8221;  My point was that that memo can only go to the Federal Circuit, not the TTAB.  </p>
<p>As for evidence, in this case the Board had two dictionary definitions from reputable dictionaries (Random House and The New Oxford American Dictionary) indicating that the word &#8220;rod&#8221; is vulgar, and the applicant even admitted that SEX ROD &#8220;is intended to possess a sexual connotation.&#8221;  </p>
<p>In Boulevard Entertainment, the Federal Circuit explicitly held that &#8220;in a case in which the evidence shows that the mark has only one pertinent meaning, dictionary evidence alone can be sufficient to satisfy the PTO&#8217;s burden.&#8221;  67 U.S.P.Q.2d at 1478.  Given the two dictionary definitions of record here, and the applicant&#8217;s admission, I guess I don&#8217;t share your view that the evidence was &#8220;shoddy.&#8221;  I suppose we&#8217;ll just have to agree to disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: marcorandazza</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcorandazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, my beef is also with the TTAB for relying upon such shoddy &quot;evidence&quot; as a simple dictionary entry as &quot;evidence&quot; that the term is vulgar, then making the leap to a conclusion that the term is therefore &quot;immoral and scandalous.&quot;  

In City of Los Angeles v. Alameda Books, 535 U.S. 425 (2002), the U.S. Supreme Court held that 
if the government seeks to restrict First Amendment protected activity in order to combat compelling 
harms such as prostitution, crime, and lower property values, it may only do so if it reasonably relies upon &lt;strong&gt;competent&lt;/strong&gt; evidence to do so.  

The Board has no authority to determine that 2(a) is unconstitutional, that is true.  However, the Board does have the authority (and the obligation) to consider the First Amendment and whether evidence is actually persuasive in its &lt;strong&gt;application&lt;/strong&gt; of Section 2(a).

In all fairness to the Panel, it seems that the Applicant provided scant evidence of his own - and confronted with bad evidence on both sides, the TTAB simply relied on the lousy evidence that fit its preconceived notion.  However, the Panel had no need to even rule on the 2(a) issue.  Given that there was no bona-fide intent to use, the inquiry was over.  This expansive (and Victorian) interpretation of 2(a) was neither necessary nor proper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, my beef is also with the TTAB for relying upon such shoddy &#8220;evidence&#8221; as a simple dictionary entry as &#8220;evidence&#8221; that the term is vulgar, then making the leap to a conclusion that the term is therefore &#8220;immoral and scandalous.&#8221;  </p>
<p>In City of Los Angeles v. Alameda Books, 535 U.S. 425 (2002), the U.S. Supreme Court held that<br />
if the government seeks to restrict First Amendment protected activity in order to combat compelling<br />
harms such as prostitution, crime, and lower property values, it may only do so if it reasonably relies upon <strong>competent</strong> evidence to do so.  </p>
<p>The Board has no authority to determine that 2(a) is unconstitutional, that is true.  However, the Board does have the authority (and the obligation) to consider the First Amendment and whether evidence is actually persuasive in its <strong>application</strong> of Section 2(a).</p>
<p>In all fairness to the Panel, it seems that the Applicant provided scant evidence of his own &#8211; and confronted with bad evidence on both sides, the TTAB simply relied on the lousy evidence that fit its preconceived notion.  However, the Panel had no need to even rule on the 2(a) issue.  Given that there was no bona-fide intent to use, the inquiry was over.  This expansive (and Victorian) interpretation of 2(a) was neither necessary nor proper.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc,

I disagree with your comments about the TTAB not getting the constitutional memo and the USPTO being &quot;governed by Victorian morality, and it intends to make sure that we don’t forget it.&quot;  

First, whether the Board agrees or disagrees with your First Amendment analysis is irrelevant, because the Board simply &quot;has no authority to determine, either generally or with respect to respondent, whether Section 2(a) is overbroad or vague, or to declare provisions of the Trademark Act unconstitutional.&quot;  Harjo v. Pro-Football Inc., 50 U.S.P.Q.2d 1705, 1710 (T.T.A.B. 1999), rev&#039;d on other grounds, 68 U.S.P.Q.2d 1225 (D.D.C. 2003).

Second, in 2003 the Federal Circuit expressly rejected a constitutional challenge to Section 2(a) and, citing McGinley and Mavety, stated, &quot;We adhere to the reasoning set forth in those cases and reject [the applicant&#039;s] First Amendment challenge.&quot;  In re Boulevard Entertainment Inc., 67 U.S.P.Q.2d 1475, 1480 (Fed. Cir. 2003).

Your beef is with the Federal Circuit, not the Board or the PTO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc,</p>
<p>I disagree with your comments about the TTAB not getting the constitutional memo and the USPTO being &#8220;governed by Victorian morality, and it intends to make sure that we don’t forget it.&#8221;  </p>
<p>First, whether the Board agrees or disagrees with your First Amendment analysis is irrelevant, because the Board simply &#8220;has no authority to determine, either generally or with respect to respondent, whether Section 2(a) is overbroad or vague, or to declare provisions of the Trademark Act unconstitutional.&#8221;  Harjo v. Pro-Football Inc., 50 U.S.P.Q.2d 1705, 1710 (T.T.A.B. 1999), rev&#8217;d on other grounds, 68 U.S.P.Q.2d 1225 (D.D.C. 2003).</p>
<p>Second, in 2003 the Federal Circuit expressly rejected a constitutional challenge to Section 2(a) and, citing McGinley and Mavety, stated, &#8220;We adhere to the reasoning set forth in those cases and reject [the applicant's] First Amendment challenge.&#8221;  In re Boulevard Entertainment Inc., 67 U.S.P.Q.2d 1475, 1480 (Fed. Cir. 2003).</p>
<p>Your beef is with the Federal Circuit, not the Board or the PTO.</p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the addition of the poll! Great idea!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the addition of the poll! Great idea!</p>
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		<title>By: marcorandazza</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcorandazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad!  My beloved cousin is &quot;Jon&quot; ... so when I think of a &quot;John:&quot; that I really like, I think of him.  :)  Wait... but my dad is &quot;John&quot; ... 

Well, as someone who gets called &quot;Mark&quot; all the time... mea culpa.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad!  My beloved cousin is &#8220;Jon&#8221; &#8230; so when I think of a &#8220;John:&#8221; that I really like, I think of him.  :)  Wait&#8230; but my dad is &#8220;John&#8221; &#8230; </p>
<p>Well, as someone who gets called &#8220;Mark&#8221; all the time&#8230; mea culpa.  ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the name is John Welch, not Jon Welch
Regards,
John Welch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the name is John Welch, not Jon Welch<br />
Regards,<br />
John Welch</p>
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